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Some fact checking

Review of Self-Hosting Cost Estimates

Overview

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      Performance
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Key Concepts Overview:

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Let’s shatter down the cost claims for self-hosting Llama 4 Scout and Maverick, and assess their accuracy based on current AWS pricing and typical operational expenses.

1. Llama 4 Scout Self-Hosting Cost

Claim:

• $94,394/month for 4 AWS p4d.24xlarge instances at $32.77/hour
• ~$17/month for storage and egress

Instance Cost Calculation

• AWS p4d.24xlarge (as of mid-2024):

  • 8x NVIDIA A100 GPUs, 96 vCPUs, 1.1 TB RAM
  • On-demand price: $32.77/hour

• Monthly cost per instance:

  32.77×24×30=$23,594.4032.77 \times 24 \times 30 = $23,594.4032.77×24×30=$23,594.40

• For 4 instances:

  23,594.40×4=$94,377.6023,594.40 \times 4 = $94,377.6023,594.40×4=$94,377.60

This matches the stated $94,394/month, with a minor rounding difference.

Storage and Egress

• Storage:
  • Model weights and data storage for LLMs are typically modest compared to compute costs.
  • $17/month is plausible for a few TB of EBS or S3 storage and minimal egress.

Total Estimated Monthly Cost:

• $94,394 (compute) + $17 (storage/egress) ≈ $94,411/month

Conclusion:

• The estimate for self-hosting Llama 4 Scout on AWS is accurate for 4 p4d.24xlarge instances at current on-demand rates.

2. Maverick Self-Hosting Cost

Claim:

• $141,585/month (presumably for compute)
• $79,500/month for engineers

Compute Cost

• If using more powerful or additional GPU instances (e.g., p5.48xlarge or more p4d.24xlarge), the monthly cost could reach or exceed $141,585.

• For example, 6 p4d.24xlarge instances:

  23,594.40×6=$141,566.4023,594.40 \times 6 = $141,566.4023,594.40×6=$141,566.40

• Alternatively, using newer or larger instances (e.g., p5 series) could also reach this cost.

Engineering Cost

• $79,500/month for engineers implies a team of 3-5 full-time engineers at market rates ($16,000–$26,000/month per engineer, including benefits and overhead).
• This is a reasonable estimate for a small, highly skilled MLOps/devops team.

3. Summary Table

Item	Compute Cost/Month	Storage/Egress	Engineering	Total/Month
Llama 4 Scout	$94,394	~$17	—	~$94,411
Maverick	$141,585	(not stated)	$79,500	$221,085+

Key Takeaways

• The cost estimates for self-hosting Llama 4 Scout and Maverick are accurate based on current AWS pricing and typical engineering salaries.
• Compute costs dominate the total, with storage and egress being negligible in comparison.
• Engineering costs are significan’t for ongoing operations, especially for more complex or larger-scale deployments.

References:

AWS EC2 Pricing (p4d.24xlarge, p5.48xlarge)

AWS EBS/S3 Pricing

Industry salary surveys for MLOps/DevOps engineers

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Review of API Cost Statement

Your skepticism is well-founded. Let’s clarify the cost comparison between Gemini 2.5 Pro and GPT-4o for the scenario described:

Scenario Details

• user’s: 30 million
• Requests per second: 200
• Tokens per request: 500
• Total tokens per month: 259.2 billion

API Pricing (as of mid-2024)

Model	Input Price (per 1K tokens)	Output Price (per 1K tokens)	Notes
Gemini 2.5 Pro	$0.0025	$0.0025	Same for input/output
GPT-4o	$0.005	$0.015	Input/output differ

Cost Calculation

Assuming all tokens are output (worst case for cost):

• Gemini 2.5 Pro:

  259,200,000,000259,200,000,000259,200,000,000 tokens × $0.0025 / 1,000 = $648,000/month

  Annual: $7.78M

• GPT-4o:

  259,200,000,000259,200,000,000259,200,000,000 tokens × $0.015 / 1,000 = $3,888,000/month

  Annual: $46.66M

If split evenly between input and output (250 tokens each):

• Gemini 2.5 Pro:

  259,200,000,000259,200,000,000259,200,000,000 × $0.0025 / 1,000 = $648,000/month (no transform)

• GPT-4o:

  Input: 129,600,000,000129,600,000,000129,600,000,000 × $0.005 / 1,000 = $648,000

  Output: 129,600,000,000129,600,000,000129,600,000,000 × $0.015 / 1,000 = $1,944,000

  Total: $2,592,000/month

  Annual: $31.10M

Summary Table

Model	Monthly Cost (All Output)	Monthly Cost (Split)	Annual Cost (Split)
Gemini 2.5 Pro	$648,000	$648,000	$7.78M
GPT-4o	$3,888,000	$2,592,000	$31.10M

Conclusion

• GPT-4o is significantly more expensive than Gemini 2.5 Pro for the same usage scenario.
• The original statement is incorrect: GPT-4o is not cheaper than Gemini 2.5 Pro for this scale of usage.

References:

Google Gemini API Pricing

OpenAI GPT-4o API Pricing

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Hidden Costs That Derail LLM Budgets

Large language model (LLM) deployments often face unexpected expenses that can undermine even the most carefully planned budgets. Below is a breakdown of the most common “sneaky” costs and their impact.

1. Cold launch Latency

• Lost Revenue: When serverless or containerized LLM apps experience cold starts, user experience suffers. If users abandon slow apps, the resulting lost revenue can range from $2,000 to $5,000 per month for mid-sized SaaS or consumer platforms123.
• Mitigation: Keeping instances warm or increasing minimum instance counts can reduce cold starts, but this increases infrastructure costs45.

2. Failed Requests

• Compute Waste: Each failed LLM request still consumes compute resources, leading to $1,500/month in wasted compute costs for high-traffic applications6.
• Debug (every developer knows this pain)ging Expenses: Persistent failures require engineering time for root cause analysis, often costing $3,000/month or more in debugging (every developer knows this pain) labor[7](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1jqp3s3/i_now_spend_most_of_my_time_debugging (every developer knows this pain)_and_fixing/)[8](https://www.keywordsai.co/blog/top-7-llm-debugging (every developer knows this pain)-challenges-and-solutions).
• Support Overhead: Handling user complaints and support tickets related to failures can add another $500/month in support costs.

3. Model Drift & Hallucination

• Monitoring and Retraining: Keeping LLMs accurate and up-to-date requires ongoing monitoring for drift and hallucinations, as well as periodic retraining. Annual costs for these activities typically range from $100,000 to $300,00091011.
  • Monitoring: Automated tools and human-in-the-loop evaluations are both needed to detect drift and hallucinations.
  • Retraining: Full or partial retraining of LLMs is compute-intensive and expensive, especially for large models.

4. Vendor Lock-In

• Price Spikes: Relying on a single cloud or API vendor exposes organizations to sudden price increases. Recent trends demonstrate cloud and AI service prices rising by 2–9% annually, with generative AI features sometimes triggering even steeper hikes12.
• Limited Flexibility: Migrating away from a vendor can be costly and time-consuming, especially if proprietary APIs or data formats are involved.

5. Self-Hosting Challenges

• Expertise Shortage: Running LLMs in-house requires rare MLOps and infrastructure expertise. Recruiting and retaining such talent is difficult and expensive13.
• Operational Complexity: Self-hosting demands robust infrastructure management, performance tuning, and constant monitoring to avoid downtime and inefficiency.

Summary Table: Hidden LLM Expenses

Expense Type	Typical Cost Range	Notes
Cold launch Lost Revenue	$2,000–$5,000/month	User abandonment due to latency12
Failed Requests (Compute)	$1,500/month	Wasted compute on failed calls6
Debug (every developer knows this pain)ging Failed Requests	$3,000/month	Engineering labor[7](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1jqp3s3/i_now_spend_most_of_my_time_debugging (every developer knows this pain)_and_fixing/)[8](https://www.keywordsai.co/blog/top-7-llm-debugging (every developer knows this pain)-challenges-and-solutions)
Support for Failures	$500/month	User support tickets
Monitoring & Retraining	$100,000–$300,000/year	Model drift/hallucination91011
Vendor Price Spikes	2–9%+ annual increases	Generative AI features drive up costs12
Self-Hosting Expertise	High, hard to quantify	Scarce MLOps talent needed13

Key Takeaway:

Budgeting for LLMs requires accounting for more than just API or compute costs. Cold starts, failed requests, model drift, vendor lock-in. the challenges of self-hosting can all introduce significan’t, often underestimated, expenses. Proactive monitoring, flexible architecture, and investment in expertise are essential to avoid budget overruns.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/googlecloud/comments/1ita39x/cloud_run_how_to_mitigate_cold_starts_and_how/
2. https://awsbites.com/144-lambda-billing-changes-cold-launch-costs-and-log-savings-what-you-need-to-know/
3. https://payproglobal.com/answers/what-is-cold-launch/
4. https://cloud.google.com/run/pricing
5. https://cloud.google.com/run/pricing?authuser=4
6. https://community.openai.com/t/does-i-retrieve-charge-for-failed-or-pending-llm-api-requests/1269888
7. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1jqp3s3/i_now_spend_most_of_my_time_debugging (every developer knows this pain)_and_fixing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1jqp3s3/i_now_spend_most_of_my_time_debugging (every developer knows this pain)_and_fixing/)
8. [https://www.keywordsai.co/blog/top-7-llm-debugging (every developer knows this pain)-challenges-and-solutions](https://www.keywordsai.co/blog/top-7-llm-debugging (every developer knows this pain)-challenges-and-solutions)
9. https://arxiv.org/html/2310.04216
10. https://www.rohan-paul.com/p/ml-interview-q-series-handling-llm
11. https://arize.com/blog/libre-eval-detect-llm-hallucinations/
12. https://www.techtarget.com/searchcio/news/366548312/Cloud-costs-continue-to-rise-among-IT-commodities
13. https://www.doubleword.ai/resources/the-challenges-of-self-hosting-large-language-models
14. https://community.flutterflow.io/discussions/post/app-engine-is-expensive-nGWaZXV4KVmSY4P
15. https://www.cloudyali.io/blogs/aws-lambda-cold-starts-now-cost-money-august-2025-billing-changes-explained
16. https://cameronrwolfe.substack.com/p/llm-debugging (every developer knows this pain)
17. https://github.com/Pythagora-io/gpt-pilot/issues/738
18. [https://www.index.dev/blog/llms-for-debugging (every developer knows this pain)-error (every developer knows this pain)-detection](https://www.index.dev/blog/llms-for-debugging (every developer knows this pain)-error (every developer knows this pain)-detection)
19. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2310.04216v1.pdf
20. https://www.aimodels.fyi/papers/arxiv/cost-effective-hallucination-detection-llms

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Fact Check: LLM Deployment Cost and Talent Claims (July 2025)

API-Based Model Costs

Claimed:

• GPT-4o: $1.6M/month for 259.2B tokens
• o4-mini: $97.2M/month
• Gemini 2.5 Pro: $1.4M/month

Fact Check:

• GPT-4o: Accurate. At $2.5 per million input tokens and $10 per million output tokens, a 50/50 split for 259.2B tokens results in $1,620,000/month1.
• o4-mini: Overstated. The correct cost is $712,800/month at $1.1 per million input and $4.4 per million output tokens1.
• Gemini 2.5 Pro: Accurate. At $1.25 per million input and $10 per million output tokens, the cost is $1,458,000/month12.

Model	Claimed Cost	Actual Cost
GPT-4o	$1.6M	$1.62M
o4-mini	$97.2M	$712.8K
Gemini 2.5 Pro	$1.4M	$1.46M

• Summary: The o4-mini cost is off by more than 100x; the other two are accurate.

Self-Hosted Model Costs

Claimed:

• Llama 4 Scout: $94,394/month
• Maverick: $141,585/month

Fact Check:

• Llama 4 Scout: Accurate. This matches the cost of running 4 AWS p4d.24xlarge instances at $32.77/hour34.
• Maverick: Plausible. This aligns with 6 p4d.24xlarge or similar high-end GPU instances34.

LLMOps Engineer Salaries & Prevalence:

• Claim: Only 1% of engineers specialize in LLMOps, with salaries from $100,000 to $268,000, and $100,000 training per engineer; $79,500/month for a team of three.
• Fact: The median MLOps engineer salary in 2025 is about $160,000, with the top 10% earning up to $243,400. $268,000 is at the very high end but possible for elite talent. Training costs of $50,000–$150,000 per hire are reasonable for specialized onboarding5. $79,500/month for three is plausible for a top-tier team.

Role/Cost	Claimed Range	Actual Range
LLMOps Salary	$100K–$268K/year	$132K–$243K/year
Training/Engineer	$100K	$50K–$150K
Team of 3	$79.5K/month	$40K–$80K/month

• Summary: Salary and training claims are at the high end but within reason for rare, highly skilled talent.

Hybrid Model Costs

Claimed:

• $38.89M/month with 80% caching and 70% routing to Scout or o4-mini

Fact Check:

• This figure is not supported by current API pricing. Even without caching or routing, the total for 259.2B tokens is under $2M/month for the most expensive API models. Hybrid approaches can further reduce costs, not boost them12.

LLMOps Talent Market

• Claim: Only 1% of engineers specialize in LLMOps; demand up 300% since 2023; training takes 3–6 months at $50,000–$150,000 per hire.
• Fact: LLMOps is a niche skill, and demand has surged, but the 1% figure is an estimate. Training costs and timelines are reasonable for this specialization5.

Additional Context

• API-based approaches eliminate engineering burden but introduce vendor lock-in and price volatility risks.
• Self-hosting is cost-effective at scale but requires rare expertise and significan’t operational investment.
• Hybrid solutions can optimize for cost and control, but the cited savings and costs should be recalculated using current API rates.

Key Takeaways:

• API cost claims for GPT-4o and Gemini 2.5 Pro are accurate; o4-mini is vastly overstated.
• Self-hosting and engineering cost estimates are plausible for top-tier teams.
• Hybrid model cost claims are not supported by current pricing data.
• LLMOps talent is scarce and expensive, but the salary figures cited are at the high end of the market.

References:

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1. https://docsbot.ai/tools/gpt-openai-api-pricing-calculator
2. https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/04/gemini-2-5-pro-is-googles-most-expensive-ai-model-yet/
3. https://llamaimodel.com/price/
4. https://livechatai.com/llama-4-pricing-calculator
5. https://aijobs.net/salaries/mlops-engineer-salary-in-2025/
6. https://openai.com/api/pricing/
7. https://www.cursor-ide.com/blog/gpt-4o-image-generation-cost
8. https://www.nebuly.com/blog/openai-gpt-4-api-pricing
9. https://api.chat/models/chatgpt-4o/price/
10. https://onedollarvps.com/blogs/openai-o4-mini-pricing
11. https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/
12. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-7kcpngbt6eprg
13. https://www.llama.com
14. https://multiable.com.my/2025/02/01/what-is-the-cost-of-hosting-running-a-self-owned-llama-in-aws
15. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/true-cost-hosting-your-own-llm-comprehensive-comparison-binoloop-l3rtc
16. https://dev.to/yyarmoshyk/the-cost-of-self-hosted-llm-model-in-aws-4ijk
17. https://community.openai.com/t/is-the-api-pricing-for-gpt-4-1-mini-and-o3-really-identical-now/1286911
18. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/google-expands-access-gemini-25-pro-ai-model-reveals-pricing-tiwari-e3nkc
19. https://vitalflux.com/llm-hosting-strategy-options-cost-examples/
20. https://www.glassdoor.co.in/Salaries/llm-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,12.htm

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